{"id":7849,"date":"2021-09-09T11:05:56","date_gmt":"2021-09-09T10:05:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tpcleadership.com\/uk-en\/uncategorized\/to-be-black-to-be-a-woman\/"},"modified":"2025-04-20T17:50:13","modified_gmt":"2025-04-20T16:50:13","slug":"to-be-black-to-be-a-woman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tpcleadership.com\/uk-en\/developing-leaders\/to-be-black-to-be-a-woman\/","title":{"rendered":"To be Black, to be a woman"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3><b>\u00a0\u2013 in conversation with TPCL Partner Hilary Harvey<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In this series of articles, we\u2019re gleaning all we can from TPC Leadership UK Partner <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/hilary-harvey-2442644\/\">Hilary Harvey, <\/a>on the subject of Diversity and Inclusion. Today Hilary reflects on her personal experience as a woman with Caribbean and Indian heritage.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A long-valued coach and consultant, Hilary has always brought rich insight to TPC Leadership. Whether she has been speaking on <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">collaboration<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> or <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">technology<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, or leading reverse mentoring programmes for the NHS, she has always tackled complex issues with great awareness and expertise. Here, she opens up about how her background, gender and skin colour have affected her career to date.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b>The normal that you get used to<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Except for when she was in management consulting, Hilary says that she has always tended to be the youngest in the room. That room has usually been predominantly filled with older men, and when Hilary has looked around, she has often been the only person of colour in sight.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cThat\u2019s my norm,\u201d says Hilary. \u201cIt\u2019s always something I\u2019m aware of. Not in a negative way, but if your experience is not the dominant one in a group, you\u2019re aware of it. I imagine it\u2019s the same if you\u2019re the only one from outside the UK in a room full of British people.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hilary mentions an exception: she has been working recently with another colleague from a BAME background. Together they have been running reverse mentoring training sessions with various NHS trusts for staff from culturally diverse backgrounds, the majority of whom have been people of colour.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cMy colleague is in her 50s,\u201d says Hilary. \u201cShe says she\u2019s never experienced anything like it. We\u2019ve reflected that we feel different in these contexts. We somehow feel more relaxed and like we can be more ourselves. I didn\u2019t even realise that I had been self-censoring elsewhere until we began running these sessions.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b>Deciding whether it\u2019s worth going there<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">reverse-mentoring training has specifically targeted BAME inclusion<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, this atmosphere of ease hasn\u2019t only been important for Hilary, it\u2019s also made a huge difference for the staff she has been working with.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cPeople want to see themselves reflected in the trainers,\u201d says Hilary. \u201cThey\u2019re more comfortable speaking about their experience if they believe their trainer might have felt something similar. It creates a safe place for them to say what they want \u2013 in the way they want to say it \u2013 without fear of repercussion.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When people from minority backgrounds observe behaviours that are non inclusive, Hilary says there\u2019s a huge internal process that takes place. Can I challenge it? What will the repercussions be? How can I stop this person from feeling really uncomfortable?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt\u2019s exhausting,\u201d says Hilary. \u201cYou\u2019re coming up against stereotypes of \u2018the angry Black woman\u2019 or \u2018the mouthy one\u2019 or \u2018the troublemaker always going on about racism\u2019. It\u2019s tiring and you can end up thinking, \u2018I\u2019m not even going to go there.\u2019\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is dangerous, Hilary says, because it leads to apathy, to disengagement, and to talent leaving. If they do choose to stay, they become disgruntled.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cNow I haven\u2019t had a particularly difficult experience,\u201d says Hilary. \u201cI\u2019m Black but that identity covers a huge spectrum, and within the Black community, I\u2019m really light-skinned. There are people with much darker skin than me who have had a much tougher time.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b>Seeking out those who aren\u2019t in your bubble<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hilary says it\u2019s only in the last year that she\u2019s begun to actively seek out leadership consultants who are from a minority ethnic background.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cCoaching, like counselling, has been a very non-diverse world,\u201d says Hilary. \u201cIt\u2019s not that they\u2019re not there due to active exclusion. Coaching is inherently an inclusive technique, but it\u2019s a question of who gets to see that. There are only a few people who come across coaches in their professional experience and then have the opportunity to get training.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Just as with gender equality, without proactive recruitment you won\u2019t get people coming through the pipeline. Not unless they\u2019re super keen or are given an out-of-the-ordinary opportunity.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt\u2019s about who sees themselves as a coach,\u201d says Hilary. \u201cIt\u2019s tough to step into what you don\u2019t know, into a field you don\u2019t see yourself represented in.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cSo now I\u2019m looking to see who I can help. Particularly in regard to young women, people from diverse cultural backgrounds and those with a lived experience of disability. I am thinking about what I\u2019m doing to increase diversity in my field now, and to support the next generation. Because it\u2019s not just about me, my journey, and people who share my experience. I\u2019m starting to look up and ask, \u2018Who else isn\u2019t in the room?\u2019\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Looking for insight on how to move forward?<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/tpcleadership.com\/uk-en\/contact-us\/\"> <b>Get in touch with us<\/b><\/a><b> to find out how we can help.<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0&#8211; in conversation with TPCL Partner Hilary Harvey In this series of articles, we\u2019re gleaning all we can from TPC Leadership UK Partner Hilary Harvey, on the subject of Diversity 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